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malcolm Administrator
Posts : 5329 Join date : 2014-09-23
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:18 pm | |
| I am a great believer in the 'whatever works for you ' principle. Some folks believe anything and everything some visit Lourdes seeking cures for terminal illnesses. It is relatively new finding that the real culprit of 'stomach' or duodenal ulceration is a Gram-neg bacterial infection 'Helicobacter Pylori' now completely curable with targeted anti-biotic treatment. No amount of homeopathic treatments have ever been found to kill off gram neg bacteria as I am sure you will agree. My father died in hospital following surgery for duodenal ulceration, after contracting peritonitis.
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meerkat12 V.I.P Member
Posts : 2409 Join date : 2014-10-05 Location : South east England
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:31 pm | |
| Ahhhh...:;smile: |
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catgate V.I.P Member
Posts : 673 Join date : 2016-11-27 Location : Village near Pocklington.
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:37 pm | |
| No amount of science has yet found out how Homeopathy works, although there have been some suggestions which have been slightly plausible.
The reason why it works is, in my mind, less important that the fact that in very many cases it does work. Granted the remedy for a certain dis ease for Jim may be totally unsuited to Fred, which is why most cases need individual analysis. Having said that, there are quite a few common remedies which are less fussy about who they cure. One of these is an out of the ordinary mixture of three remedies "Aconite/Gelsemium/Eupatorium". This is a master piece when it comes to colds and flu. Just try it. My old friend Ralph had a little saying which said it all "You can not describe the taste of a pear".
I find it very true and applicable to many situations. |
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malcolm Administrator
Posts : 5329 Join date : 2014-09-23 Age : 79 Location : Coppull, Lancashire
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:08 pm | |
| Homeopathy works on those who are gullible enough to use it and too scared to tell everyone that they were foolish enough to be taken in by the charlatans who advocate it's use....IMO ! |
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AlanHo V.I.P Member
Posts : 8798 Join date : 2016-10-16 Age : 87 Location : Marston Green, Solihull
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:43 pm | |
| I am truly agnostic about the efficacy of medicines of all sorts. I believe that if a remedy works for you - that's fair enough.
I would not accuse people of gullibility and foolishness because they have experienced the benefit of something that I have not tried myself. I too find it hard to understand how a homeopathic remedy works, but I have a friend with a nut allergy and the most minute exposure to nuts causes such a violent reaction she finishes up in hospital knocking on death's door. This shows how sensitive the human body can be to the merest trace of a compound. I know it seems daft - but I am allergic to cucumber which is 99.9% water. If a sandwich or a plate of salad has had cucumber on it - even if I remove the cucumber - I cannot eat it without it causing severe nausea.
I therefore accept that minute traces of something can effect the body but the extreme dilution of Homeopathic remedies to me is an enigma. For me the jury is out and I await a verdict.. ----------------------------------------- This post may contain controversial personal opinion, humour, ironic comment or sarcasm. If I have accidentally offended you - please contact me and I will unreservedly apologise. If however it was intentional - it will add to my pleasure. |
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davo Senior Member
Posts : 3787 Join date : 2016-10-19 Location : OZ
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:24 pm | |
| - I am a great believer in the 'whatever works for you ' principle.
Homeopathy works on those who are gullible enough to use it and too scared to tell everyone that they were foolish enough to be taken in by the charlatans who advocate it's use....IMO wrote: surely these two statements from the same author could be said to be contradictions in terms?? however moving on moving on I came across this article recently whilst pursuing my own studies of lifes experiences: homeopathy |
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davo Senior Member
Posts : 3787 Join date : 2016-10-19 Location : OZ
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:29 pm | |
| well the results so far and future plans? - have taken two pks of arnika so far and IMO are not cheap - at one point I thought they were having good effect but this did not last However there are many confounding factors - one I am taking multiple and varying other tabs that may interact in non- efficacious ways and which included osteopanadol - and two recently more in desperation I started taking simple paracetamol which has seemed to ease the pain more effectively - however as stated previously the removal of all pain is not necessarily a useful technique as there is of course still underlying tissue damage that continues to repair itself. I think on reflection it may be inappropriate to mix the two methods of treatment ie homeopathy and conventional medicine as they do seem to be juxtaposed. however many thanks for all suggestions - well at least those of a more serious nature! I am now walking unaided but with a slight limp - the discomfort is easing and as long as I do not rotate my knee joint all is well |
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davo Senior Member
Posts : 3787 Join date : 2016-10-19 Location : OZ
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:56 am | |
| second stage engaged: 4 hrly applications of the true and tried Tiger Balm [now there's a homeopathic medicine if ever i saw one!] and 2X paracetamol - all pain significantly diminished as long as I keep walking in a straight line! light housework permitted in periodic spasms! |
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catgate V.I.P Member
Posts : 673 Join date : 2016-11-27 Location : Village near Pocklington.
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:49 pm | |
| I have a serious question for you, Malcolm.
Have you ever tried homeopathy?
I shall take no answer as "No". |
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malcolm Administrator
Posts : 5329 Join date : 2014-09-23 Age : 79 Location : Coppull, Lancashire
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:11 pm | |
| Yes about thirty five years ago when living in Blackpool I had problems with aching in my left leg, my doctor at the time, who's name was Priestly, could not diagnose the problem, he sent me off to a Chemist in Lytham with a private prescription for a Homeopathic remedy which I dutifully took as directed, needless to say it was a total waste of time and money. I called the Doctors Surgery for another appointment and was told that Dr Priestly no longer worked at the practice. My new doctor prescribed NSAIDS (Sodium Diclofenac ) and the leg started to improve. I hope this answers your question.
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andsome V.I.P Member
Posts : 4525 Join date : 2014-09-24 Location : Burntwood in Staffordshie, ENGLAND
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:32 pm | |
| Several years ago,in an effort to get out of the rat race,we opened a home brew shop. After a while,to boot income we started to stock health foods,and some homeopathic remedies. Many who came into the shop swore by them. We tried one or two but NEVER found them to be effective. ----------------------------------------- Gustav Mahler is the finest composer who ever lived. |
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catgate V.I.P Member
Posts : 673 Join date : 2016-11-27 Location : Village near Pocklington.
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:13 pm | |
| - malcolm wrote:
- Yes about thirty five years ago when living in Blackpool I had problems with aching in my left leg, my doctor at the time, who's name was Priestly, could not diagnose the problem, he sent me off to a Chemist in Lytham with a private prescription for a Homeopathic remedy which I dutifully took as directed, needless to say it was a total waste of time and money.
I called the Doctors Surgery for another appointment and was told that Dr Priestly no longer worked at the practice. My new doctor prescribed NSAIDS (Sodium Diclofenac ) and the leg started to improve. I hope this answers your question. What it tells me is that the Homeopath had not prescribed the correct remedy. Conventional drugs are "multi purpose" items whereas a homeopathic remedy has a much smaller clientel, and hence needs a much more careful diagnosis of the problem and selection of the remedy. |
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davo Senior Member
Posts : 3787 Join date : 2016-10-19 Location : OZ
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:11 pm | |
| who said he was a homeopath?? - sounds like a quack quack? |
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catgate V.I.P Member
Posts : 673 Join date : 2016-11-27 Location : Village near Pocklington.
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:20 pm | |
| My last word on this matter is zymotic. |
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davo Senior Member
Posts : 3787 Join date : 2016-10-19 Location : OZ
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:30 pm | |
| - catgate wrote:
My last word on this matter is zymotic. urghh - 'ow 'orrible! priestly - the name would have worried me! |
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davo Senior Member
Posts : 3787 Join date : 2016-10-19 Location : OZ
| Subject: Re: first casualty of the year Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:12 am | |
| well the third way mark perhaps according to the quack quark and I was still having too much pain on joint movement - the original doc wouldn't give me anything strong so I finally consulted our friendly voodoo chemist from darkest efrica and she recommended a bed of the strongest OTH pain relief 'pharmacist choice - a mix of codeine 10mg pluse 500mg paracetamol with an overlay of ibuprofen to reduce inflammation - plus a leg and knee joint rub of tiger balm oil and that's doing the trick.
I was optimistic about the arnika but when you are in so much pain you need instant cure and it just didn't do it quick enough. Of course the tissue healing will take months. friend of mine had a ankle joint damaged in similar fashion and it's taken 6 mths with maybe a further 6. still at least I can still walk and more importantly drive! |
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