This is a Question Time Funny by Harry Enfield

how sad! I was just beginning to enjoy the cat howls!

however as a expat with a british passort and family still in Uk erhm erhm! erhm!

the world is global!!!!!! and we should all be concerned about it and its future - some of my major concerns about the EU have been the control and powerbrokers who seem to be france and germany once our arch enemies?

the chancellors bizzare act of letting refugees [?] flood not only into germany but many other countries was IMO the act of a silly old woman!

the practice also of allowing countries who are clearly unable to manage their own affairs like greece; spain; italy etc etc is bizzare and seems to be only empire building [but remember the prohecy of the 666]

england was once a great empire and if we could turn all the immigrants into slaves again could be again!

ps: oh I do wish pummie were  here he has an excellent grasp of all things empire

pps: she'll be back she likes a good spat!

Confused again Davo. When two men disagree on a subject nowt is said. 

Why is  there  cat  howls it's just a difference of opinion. You men seem to get excited when two intelligent  women have opinions.  Brexit ain't happening for another two to three years anyway. Emily Pankhurst encouraged us to vote.

Why would Pum know the complications of the British Governmental system. Other than reading from most of the media who try to stir people up. 

I know nothing about Australian politics and would not interfere. 

Right off the mark again buddy.  It's a forum for discussion purposes.

I think you have completely misread the situation.

Sorry to spoil your entertainment.  :;smile:

She by the way is considered the cats mother in the UK 

you owe me 50 quid gandalph - told you she would!

ps: I didn't mention the word "intelligent" anywhere?

You still on a UK passport Davo? Whatever for? When I first went back to the UK in the 1960's I had a UK passport. Everywhere I went somebody didn't like Brits. The same applies to French, German, American etc. After that I got a Kiwi passport and everybody was nice to us. There were always jobs on offer when they found I was from NZ. even though I always told them I would be going back sometime.
When the EEC was started the preferential access to Commonwealth countries countries fizzled out and Britain dumped us. It was hard going establishing new markets for our exporters, it took years but now we have access to Asian countries with lots more people who all need feeding. Before the EEC our roads were full of British built cars , tractors and machinery, now you hardly see any less than 40 years old. As a one time Brit myself, I have been surprised at how home grown Kiwis don't hold this against the Mother Country despite the hard times of the 1970'/80's after contributing to two world Wars with up to 66% casualties and 18% killed. Only since I have been working part time in a museum have I realised the sacrifices made by New Zealand and Australia for the concept of 'Empire'.

Britain will always be 'home' to British people no matter where in this world they currently chose to live.
They are fully entitled to their opinions, as British citizens and passport holders, on the UK leaving the EU.
It is another matter where ex UK citizens take on citizenship of another country, they have no right to even an opinion.

ciderman where does this leave you  are you a citizen of NewZealand now or UK or both? In OZ I am entitled to dual citizenship

I could be both Davo but I choose to be Kiwi.  I work on the basis that I had no say in where I was born but I do have a choice of where I identify with.  I should mention that NZ and Australia were very close. Because of my dad's career  I had a lot of countries to choose from but is was Oz or NZ.

davo wrote:

you owe me 50 quid gandalph - told you she would!

ps: I didn't mention the word "intelligent" anywhere?

 Oh dear got  doing  to betting stakes now hey. How sad. But an absolute hoot to me ha ha, great stuff   fame at last 

Surprised at  Gandalph though or are you just trying to stir the pot. 

No hard feelings Gandalph. I think someone trying to shift the blame here mate

Ciderman wrote:

I could be both Davo but I choose to be Kiwi.  I work on the basis that I had no say in where I was born but I do have a choice of where I identify with.  I should mention that NZ and Australia were very close. Because of my dad's career  I had a lot of countries to choose from but is was Oz or NZ.

Same here Cider. I will never revoke my UK citizenship. I am British through and through and proud to be so. I get concerned how all this will affect my fellow countrymen in the UK.

Maybe that never came across in my posts.

Davo the UK is a democracy and each have their passionate arguments. We all feel concern for our country. So sometimes there are spats. That's all there is to it, nothing sinister. Sags very kindly invited me along to Murgs as we know each other. I can't speak for sags but I definitely do not have a problem with her or he views.

You should have lived in our household when we were kids, having and English  mum and Welsh Dad. Both passionate  about their country

I think you just misunderstand our culture, like I never understand the Aussie way of life.

Storm in a teacup mate 

Oh I dunno .. we don't have too many gritty discussions on here and it's nice to have one.

Sticking with the theme of clubs ... as we have Davo and Ciderman to add interest  .... the EU is a club. The Commonwealth is a club .. founded on the back of Empire so there are a few uncanny similarities. The British founded one. Now they want to leave one.

The British Empire was globalist expansion.
So is the EU. ( the minute a country like Turkey is considered for inclusion it can't be anything else).

Ciderman makes a good point about trade ... and once Britain joined the EU club it rather neglected and dumped it's allies who it'd had strong ancestral and cultural ties with. Cultures which , however, now have their own identity and independence. I don't blame them for feeling miffed.
That was the Empire .. and it's dead now and will never be again. The UK is just a small island off the West coast of Europe. We're not a global power despite some of our politicians who might have everyone think we are.

Commonwealth ties have weakened and are held together by the institution of our monarchy. I can never understand why Australia and New Zealand don't jettison her as they owe the UK nothing. As with the USA , once again it was founded on colonists though ended up with a revolution for independence.
A separate country.

Same with the EU ... in terms of Brexit.
We voted to leave .. so ex-pats , in their own new adopted home shouldn't have a major say on whether their , for want of a better word, their 'mother country' should leave the club they like, and have chosen to live in.
Same as I wouldn't expect an Aussie or a Kiwi to have a vote.
Same as I wouldn't expect to vote on other Commonwealth countries legislature or matters that affect their trade agreements or major issues.

Keeping reciprocal ties and agreements is not the same as determining your own destiny .. or allowing the citizens of any country the sole power to affect the future of the country they live in.

sags wrote:

Oh I dunno .. we don't have too many gritty discussions on here and it's nice to have one.

Sticking with the theme of clubs ... as we have Davo and Ciderman to add interest  .... the EU is a club. The Commonwealth is a club .. founded on the back of Empire so there are a few uncanny similarities. The British founded one. Now they want to leave one.

The British Empire was globalist expansion.
So is the EU. ( the minute a country like Turkey is considered for inclusion it can't be anything else).

Ciderman makes a good point about trade ... and once Britain joined the EU club it rather neglected and dumped it's allies who it'd had strong ancestral and cultural ties with. Cultures which , however, now have their own identity and independence. I don't blame them for feeling miffed.
That was the Empire .. and it's dead now and will never be again. The UK is just a small island off the West coast of Europe. We're not a global power despite some of our politicians who might have everyone think we are.

Commonwealth ties have weakened and are held together by the institution of our monarchy. I can never understand why Australia and New Zealand don't jettison her as they owe the UK nothing. As with the USA , once again it was founded on colonists though ended up with a revolution for independence.
A separate country.

Same with the EU ... in terms of Brexit.
We voted to leave .. so ex-pats , in their own new adopted home shouldn't have a major say on whether their , for want of a better word, their 'mother country' should leave the club they like, and have chosen to live in.
Same as I wouldn't expect an Aussie or a Kiwi to have a vote.
Same as I wouldn't expect to vote on other Commonwealth countries legislature or matters that affect their trade agreements or major issues.

Keeping reciprocal ties and agreements is not the same as determining your own destiny .. or allowing the citizens of any country the sole power to affect the future of the country they live in.

Agree on some points with your thread sags. Quite right in your last paragraph.  This is where negotiation is vitally important. Joint agreement from both sides. I think Brussels is keen to do that from our end but feel  the prime minister is too restrictive and not flexible enough.
 
My personal view. Let's see how it goes over the coming months. Nobody knows I think this is where the problem lies.

I had forgotten  it had been a year until I watched a documentary last night. :;smile:

It's all supposition at this stage, all ifs and buts and not even worth stressing over really.

Let's hope the outcome suites us all 

I can't promise there will  not be a reminder here and there but it is getting rather boring now when you think of all the disasters happening, which really is much more important. 

Off to America to comb Trumps wig.

See ya pork crackling x

I'd disagree that our Prime Minister is restrictive and not flexible enough.
But she is on to a hiding.

As a prerequisite of any talks the EU have demanded 100 billion  ... before, they are willing to consider entering into any stages of discussion. That's 27 countries who ganged together at a bureaucratic shindig and took about 10 minutes to agree that was their principle and foremost demand.
They are acting nothing short of extortionists, like the Mafia.

Understandable though when they will lose one of their top contributors who have carried poorer countries like Poland who have had sustained investment, amounting to billions every year for the last decade. Since their membership in fact. Which is why their Health Service is considerably better than the Brits enjoy in the UK now.
The EU is only as strongest as it's weakest link and there are a helluva lot of weak links so the EU are clearly desperate for a financial buffer.
They intend to bankrupt us.

davo wrote:

the chancellors bizzare act of letting refugees [?] flood not only into germany but many other countries was IMO the act of a silly old woman!

Spot on ... so much for democracy. One woman , with alleged guilt over WW2 decided to do something for the world ... her personal policy. No consultation.
Not quite true, there was consultation afterward when she tried to force other member countries to take in immigrant quotas they did not want.
Hungary erected a barbed wire fence on it's border. The little devils.

It's things like this, along with talk of an EU army that provoke caution in any nation who desires to keep some autonomy and independence.

And to think it only started off as a trade agreement and morphed into something so restrictive.
I reckon it will have imploded by 10 or 20 years rather than go from strength to strength.
By then .. China will be the one to watch.

I truly hope that does not happen Saags. Bankrupting I mean

The irony is they get billions from tourism and ex pats buying propery etc etc.

I think  common sense will prevail in the end from all sides to be honest. .

It's just very raw for everyone at the moment.

That is why it upsets me as it has caused so much discourse amongst us all and suspicion.

As my mum said. Don't let buggers get you down. :;smile:

It will all come out in the wash

sags wrote:

davo wrote:

the chancellors bizzare act of letting refugees [?] flood not only into germany but many other countries was IMO the act of a silly old woman!

Spot on ... so much for democracy. One woman , with alleged guilt over WW2 decided to do something for the world ... her personal policy. No consultation.
Not quite true, there was consultation afterward when she tried to force other member countries to take in immigrant quotas they did not want.
Hungary erected a barbed wire fence on it's border. The little devils.

It's things like this, along with talk of an EU army that provoke caution in any nation who desires to keep some autonomy and independence.

And to think it only started off as a trade agreement and morphed into something so restrictive.
I reckon it will have imploded by 10 or 20 years rather than go from strength to strength.
By then .. China will be the one to watch.

Agh as Nostrrdamus said it will be the yellow nation to watch. My view Korea Oh no  another strange hair cut

ah but I am a British citizen and have a passport to prove it and visit UK regularly. I can have a say it my mother country. But Ciderman if you have jetisoned your UK citizenship then as Malcolm so adroitly put it:

It is another matter where ex UK citizens take on citizenship of another country, they have no right to even an opinion.




I disagree - I value your opinions always Ciderman - having no right to vote or become an MP is one thing but having an opinion I think is a human right all over the globe - are we not brothers and sisters of the same planet? and do we not care about each other - surely that is worthy of an opinion?

I do hope your opinions are not stifled on here Ciderman?

after all I could site and quote 'opinions' on this site that have been expressed about nations all over the globe