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Goldie Member
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| Subject: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:16 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:32 am | |
| This is what I get when I try to access your thread. Help BBC Worldwide (International Site)We're sorry but this site is not accessible from the UK as it is part of our international service and is not funded by the licence fee. It is run commercially by BBC Worldwide, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BBC, the profits made from it go back to BBC programme-makers to help fund great new BBC programmes. You can find out more about BBC Worldwide and its digital activities at www.bbcworldwide.com. ----------------------------------------- Gustav Mahler is the finest composer who ever lived. |
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| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:36 am | |
| Awh that's a shame. It's one about tigers. I wonder if I can just copy and paste the story. Leave it with me x |
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| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:41 am | |
| - Goldie wrote:
- Awh that's a shame. It's one about tigers. I wonder if I can just copy and paste the story. Leave it with me x
You then have to be careful about infringing copyright, and must post a link to the article and state that it comes from that site. ----------------------------------------- Gustav Mahler is the finest composer who ever lived. |
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| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:01 am | |
| By Jack Palfrey taken from the above link and not infringement of copywrite 2 February 2017"In 23 June 1984, I was attacked.” Phoni Gyen took a seat on a dock overlooking the still waterways of the Sundarbans, a low-lying archipelago in the Ganges Delta, and settled quickly into his gory sermon. A wispy grey hairline retreated from a scarred, sun-dyed face, like a litter-choked river exposing a dry, cracked riverbed. “We’d spent the morning fishing,” he said, his small audience fidgeting in the fierce Bengal sun. “I was on the riverbank when I heard a noise coming from the trees. “I tried to run, but before I could move it was on top of me.”
Phoni Gyen was attacked by a tiger in 1984 while fishing in the Sundarbans (Credit: Jack Palfrey)
A tiger had pounced on Gyen from a nearby palm tree, pinning him to the ground. A suffocating paw compressed his chest and razor-sharp claws tore at his face. “I was sure I was going to die.” Armed with just a stick, someone from Gyen’s fishing party jumped from their boat and attempted to unclasp the fierce predator. “The tiger looked at him,” Gyen continued, mopping perspiration from his face, “then it jumped off me, took this man in its jaws and disappeared into the forest.” - Quote :
- I was sure I was going to die.
[size] Tigers are a startlingly common hazard for the people of the Sundarbans, located on the border between southern Bangladesh and the Indian state of West Bengal. Here, a resilient community has made their home among the islands of thick mangrove forests, a Unesco World Heritage Site that’s home to a large population of Bengal tigers, with an estimated 150 big cats active in the region.I could see the scars from this unlikely domestic arrangement among the small crowd of locals who had gathered with me on the outskirts of Dayapur Village, the entry point to the Sundarbans, to hear Gyen’s harrowing tale.The area is a Unesco World Heritage Site that’s home to about 150 tigers (Credit: GUIZIOU Franck/hemis.fr/Alamy)Sitting next to me was Niranjan, who witnessed a tiger kill his father when he was just 11 years old. Next to him, staring unblinking through bloodshot eyes, was Sunil, who watched a tiger drag his wife from their fishing boat and carry her into the forest.According to Saptarshi Mondal, a Sundarbans forest guide tasked with helping me explore the relationship between the area’s residents and tigers while simultaneously keeping me from the jaws of one, climate change is heightening the issue, depleting the animal’s traditional food source.“Already two or three islands are underwater,” he said. “So there is less and less grassland for deer and wild boar [the tigers’ primary food source].”Consequently, humans, especially fishermen who stray deep into the forest in search of fresh fishing spots, are a good substitute for the tiger.This historical conflict should foster resentment towards the big cats, yet when I suggested as much to Gyen and his audience, the response was somewhere between bewilderment and mild outrage.Seeing my confusion, Saptarshi gestured for us to leave; suggesting we talk with someone who could help me understand this dichotomy.Fishermen who stray into the forest face the risk of being attacked by tigers (Credit: STRDEL/Getty)We trudged into the island’s interior, following a scattered brick path past lakes and through paddy fields to a solitary wooden hut. Outside, Kaushalya Mondal, a so-called tiger widow, sat alone in front of a small cooking fire.“My husband was a fisherman,” Kaushalya explained, two fogged eyes fixated on a bubbling pot of rice. “We were fishing together last year deep inside the jungle when the tiger attacked. It went straight for my husband, pulling him under the water. It carried him into the forest and within a few seconds they were gone. I couldn’t do anything.”Her anguish evident, I asked Kaushalya if she feels animosity towards the creature that took her husband.“I do not blame the tiger,” she said. “It was our fault. We went in front of the tiger, not the other way around. I still worship Dakshin Rai.”[/size] - Quote :
- I do not blame the tiger... It was our fault.
[size] Dakshin Rai, known colloquially as the tiger god, is a revered deity in the Sundarbans, who, along with the forest guardian, Bon Bibi, is said to protect all of the region’s inhabitants. Before venturing deep into the jungle, honey collectors and fishermen make offerings at one of the deity’s many shrines, hoping to return safely.Although this reverence towards tigers may be rooted in religious superstition, there is a practical element too.“The Sundarbans needs its tigers,” Saptarshi said, as we walked briskly back towards the port; light fading, my fear of a fatal tiger attack growing. “Otherwise the forest will not survive.”Approximately 30 people are killed by tigers in the Sundarbans every year (Credit: Roop Dey/Alamy)The name Sundarbans is said to derive from the endangered sundari tree, a species of mangrove that flourishes within the region. Its hard and fine-grained timber is a desirable material for high-end wood products, including furniture.“Without tigers [and the government’s enforced protection of their habitat], woodcutters will come and cut down the forest,” he said.The government’s dedication to preserving the tiger’s homeland also protects the Sundarbans from development, and, increasingly, provides an income through tiger-based tourism.“The forest gives these people a lot of things,” Saptarshi continued. “It actively combats rising water and acts as a barrier against tsunami and cyclones [which are prevalent in the Bay of Bengal].”This is why, despite seeing friends and relatives maimed before their eyes, the people of the Sundarbans do not hate tigers.They know their fate is ultimately tied to the killer cats: the tigers protect the forest and the forest protects the people.After generations of sharing their home with fearsome man-eaters, you’d be forgiven for believing there is nothing that scares these steely communities. But, unfortunately, you’d be wrong.Despite multiple attacks, locals still worship the felines and maintain a shrine in their honour (Credit: Jack Palfrey)When Saptarshi and I reached the dock from where the ferry departs to the mainland, the sun stretched lazily towards the water while wind-stirred trees nodded their approval. Nearby, Gyen, alone now, devotedly swept the village’s shrine to Dakshin Rai, for which he was appointed caretaker following his retirement from fishing.An ominous low rumble shattered the serene scene as a monstrous freighter ploughed into view through the Sundarbans’ silent waters. Plumes of acrid smoke leaked from the tanker, staining the pink-hued sky a molten brown.In late 2016, Bangladesh commenced construction of the country’s largest coal-power station just 65km upstream of the Sundarbans forest.Rampal Coal Power Station has been met with universal condemnation by environmental organisations, including Unesco, who labelled it a “serious threat” to the Sundarbans ecosystem.The organisation’s detailed report claims pollution from coal ash and waste water, as well as increased shipping and dredging, will accelerate the effects of climate change in the delicate region and cause “irreversible damage”.Dr Punarbasu Chaudhuri, head of environmental sciences at Calcutta University, 70km north of the Sundarbans, agrees with Unesco’s prognosis, and worries about the potential widespread implications of the plant.“About 2.5 million people are dependent on the mangroves of this region for their livelihood,” he said. “They, the tigers, the vegetation and all animals that rely on the area will suffer significantly if the ecosystem is permanently damaged. The area is threatened by the construction of the Rampal Coal Power Station, only 65km away (Credit: Jack Palfrey)Though Bangladesh government officials maintain the plant will have no detrimental effects on the forest, both Chaudhuri and Unesco conclude that the project should be moved or scrapped completely.As I boarded the boat back to the mainland, I took one last look at Gyen, now sitting silently on the steps of the shrine. Behind him, a statue of Dakshin Rai snarled eternally, frozen on the cusp of another kill.While it may be a struggle to fathom how a community can revere a creature that brings such suffering to its people, in many ways it is very apt.The Sundarban’s tigers, though hazardous, ultimately protect the people’s homeland. Humans on the other hand could soon be responsible for its demise.What’s more frightening than a man-eating tiger?Man.If you liked this story, sign up for the weekly bbc.com feat[/size] |
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| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:01 am | |
| Very interesting. Although I loath domestic cats, I do love the big cats. ----------------------------------------- Gustav Mahler is the finest composer who ever lived. |
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| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:29 am | |
| I saw a quite sad documentary where hunters in a village shot a tiger. It looked as though it was just asleep until smoke from the gunshot came out of his nose and mouth. I will never forget that sight.
Just think of kitties as belonging to the cat family which they do, just a smaller version. |
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| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:32 am | |
| - Goldie wrote:
- I saw a quite sad documentary where hunters in a village shot a tiger. It looked as though it was just asleep until smoke from the gunshot came out of his nose and mouth. I will never forget that sight.
Just think of kitties as belonging to the cat family which they do, just a smaller version. They crap in other peoples gardens then bury it, and kill thousands of wild animals and birds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/dec/10/cats-killing-birds-gardens-david-attenborough ----------------------------------------- Gustav Mahler is the finest composer who ever lived. |
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| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:42 pm | |
| - andsome wrote:
- Goldie wrote:
- I saw a quite sad documentary where hunters in a village shot a tiger. It looked as though it was just asleep until smoke from the gunshot came out of his nose and mouth. I will never forget that sight.
Just think of kitties as belonging to the cat family which they do, just a smaller version. They crap in other peoples gardens then bury it, and kill thousands of wild animals and birds
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/dec/10/cats-killing-birds-gardens-david-attenborough As long as it's not my garden. Do you bury yours? I thought the French netted most of them for dinner. I am not a fan of rats or mice either. |
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| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:04 pm | |
| "......and kill thousands of wild animals and birds."
I think that is not particularly important.
The most important thing is just that they are cats. |
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| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:08 pm | |
| - catgate wrote:
- "......and kill thousands of wild animals and birds."
I think that is not particularly important.
The most important thing is just that they are cats. The article is about Tigers though. You Tinkers trying to bring in the domestic variety. |
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| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:56 am | |
| - Goldie wrote:
- catgate wrote:
- "......and kill thousands of wild animals and birds."
I think that is not particularly important.
The most important thing is just that they are cats. The article is about Tigers though. You Tinkers trying to bring in the domestic variety. My reply was in reply to this part of your post. Just think of kitties as belonging to the cat family which they do, just a smaller version ----------------------------------------- Gustav Mahler is the finest composer who ever lived. |
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| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:36 am | |
| Stalemate one thinks |
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Posts : 194 Join date : 2016-12-20 Location : Pumicestone Passage, Queensland, Australia
| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:34 pm | |
| Goldie opened the floodgates by including "One For Pummy" in the thread title. :;smile:
She well knows I have no problem with big cats in the wild. But I am very conscious of the torture and carnage inflicted on native wildlife by domestic and feral cats worldwide. MILLIONS of birds, reptiles and small furry creatures are savaged by felines every single night. And unlike most carnivores, they kill not only for food but for sport - very often leaving their prey to suffer and die in agony over hours or even days.
Some might say "oh, it's only natural" - but it's not. They are an introduced species against which native fauna have no instinctive defence.
In Australia - and probably elsewhere - they have rendered some native species totally extinct.
It is far too late to ban the things altogether but I would like to see the immediate destruction of any cat found outside an owners property - particularly at night. A substantial bounty on feral cats and a meaningful fine for the owners of roaming domestic cats.
If I had the techno-skills to post pics, some might be sickened by the sight of beautiful pale-headed rosellas and rainbow lorrikeets ripped to shreds but still suffering - within sight of my home.
Surely no true animal-lover can think this is OK. |
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| Subject: Re: Archipelago of Killer Cats - One For Pummy Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:25 pm | |
| I do know you have a huge problem in Australia Pum and believe your government are considering options to euthanaise.
We have the same here with a hunting dog called the Podmeca. We are over run with rabbits. The hunters use these dogs during the season and do not want to feed them for the rest of the year. So release them. Many not neutered.
One out spoken vet has said they should be destroyed as many form packs. They then have to be rounded up and sent to the animal shelter or left in back yards in baking sun to protect Spanish homes.
I tend to agree in this case a humane euthanasia programme would work.
Cat owners definitely need to be more responsible too. I never let my cat out to wander throughout the day whilst at work and he was always in at night. He never wondered to be honest, like all my other cats I owned.
As you know Pum I am hot on sterilisation programme as is the Canarian government. . Eventually feral cats will be no more and pet cats strictly controlled . It's the tourists who come for 6 months stays adopt a cat or dog and realease them to fend for themselves once they go back home.
Not fair on anyone. |
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